Tuesday, October 30, 2007

stupid bird

From THE DAILY EXPRESS (Malaysia):

Bishops in the Anglican Church are strongly against the ordination of homosexuals in the Anglican Communion across the world, said Jill Southern, 65, from the Ellel Ministries in the United Kingdom. She said the scenario of gay pastors in same sex marriage is unusual and has caused a lot of problems.

"It is God's view that homosexuals should not be ordained as priests or pastors in any country because their sin separates them from God. It is a big, hot potato in the Anglican Church. Bishops in Africa, for example, are strongly against the ordination of homosexuals. Homosexuality is contrary to God's order and a sexual sin because it is rebellion against God and brings guilt and shame.
God makes males and females, not homosexuals. Homosexuality is one form of ungodly sex like lesbianism. When we engage in ungodly sex, we are enjoining our spirit to the demonic spirit behind it, and this destroys our lives. Ungodly sex allows our spirit to be penetrated by the demonic power behind the ungodly act. In fact, homosexuality is self-destructive behaviour. Other forms of ungodly sex are premarital sex, incest, adultery, oral sex, sodomy, masturbation, bestiality (sex with animals), trans-sexuality, masochistic and sadistic sex, bondage sex, cyber sex, voyeurism and paedophilia."

Southern, who is Director of a Bible Training School run by Ellel Ministries in Pierrepont near London, however, said we can empathise with homosexuals but we are not here to judge them.

"They are deceived and think God allows gay sex and gay marriages. A homosexual tends to believe that he is born a homosexual. I don't believe that is true. It's a lie to say you are born homosexual. It is usually a result of homosexual abuse in very early childhood when they were wrongly touched but there are other possible causes such as gender confusion and rejection by a peer group as a 'weakling'.
It was also possible that the ungodly soul-tie with the person who wrongly touched them has become a spirit of homosexuality which now occupies them (homosexuals). So this spirit of homosexuality has an appetite for homosexual acts, and is using your body for its own appetite. When a homosexual person confesses and repents the sin, we can tell the spirit to leave and the homosexual desire will also go," said Southern, who has ministered into the lives of homosexuals in her country, many of whom have turned over a new leaf.

41 comments:

David said...

Huh ?!? Great Googly Moogly, I've engaged in at least three of the things on her list myself (I'll leave it to y'all's sordid imaginations as to which ones ;)

"[H]as become a spirit of homosexuality" my ass. I guess that makes me the "Spirit of ________" (fill in the blank with one of my "transgressions" above).

What a loon.

eileen said...

ASSHAT - she is the QUEEN of ASSHATTERY.

Wormwood's Doxy said...

I've engaged in at least three of the things on her list myself (I'll leave it to y'all's sordid imaginations as to which ones

I am not EVEN going to go there....

(But I'm ahead of you. ;-)

David said...

Doxy,

I said at least three ;)

KJ said...

"Ungodly sex allows our spirit to be penetrated by the demonic power behind the ungodly act."

MadPriest, is this true even if we wear a condom?

I think she meant to say, "Ungodly thinking and refusing to engage one's mind in the ability to think and reason allows one's mind to be penetrated by the spirit of magical thinking and asshattery."

clare said...

Frighteningly ridiculous.

By the way, MadPriest, I've added you to my blogroll, hope that's ok. Let me know if its not!

Paul (A.) said...

Southern does seem to be a premier expert on ungodly sex, however. We've got to allow something for expertise and practice.




By the way, is ungodly sex where one cries out in the throes of passion "O unGod!"? I leave it to the experts to explain.

PseudoPiskie said...

Hmmm. Looks like I'm in good company.

Can you imagine the hell this lady would have suffered thru if she had been in New York with us? Maybe we should invite her to the next party?

KJ said...

MadPriest, I've reviewed Clare's Blogger info and one of her blogs. Since I recognize hardly any of the films she has seen, books she has read or the music that she listens to, I believe it is safe to assume she is cool, and just your sort.

Ormonde Plater said...

I'm glad they don't find anything wrong with gay deacons.

John said...

Oh my. This individual takes ex-gay ministry to a new level! Getting rid of "the spirit of homosexuality". Does that mean I lose my gift for home decorating? I'll have to think about this as I am watching the "High Heel Race" and all those drag queens running down 17th Street tonight.

In all honesty this individual is very scary.

pj said...

I saw an "ungodly soul-tie" once.

Isaac Hayes was wearing it with an ungodly wide-lapel jacket and bellbottoms.

MadPriest said...

KJ
Clare is cool. Everything about her blog indicates she's a really nice person. But her photo shouts out that she has something of the night about her.
This is exactly what the straight(ish) male readers of OCICBW... look for in a lady.
I think you better warn her about johnieb and david.

toujoursdan said...

Did buttsex troll move to Malaysia and not tell us? Shame on him.

clare said...

I consider myself warned

Linda McMillan said...

Uh... Note to Jill:
That thing penetrating you is not a demonic power honey.

Even a lezzie can tell you that.

Lindy

Anonymous said...

The Ellel website is remarkably free of tell-tale info, but I suspect that this organization is of the neopentecostal type. Park your brains at the door. Park your wallets at the altar.

NancyP

Doorman-Priest said...

Sorry, but who is this woman that she can pontificate authoritatively to the overseas media? Who here had ever heard of her and her two-bit "Bible school"?

D.P.

Christopher said...

Oh, yeah. This is the type of Christianity I grew up with. Folks believe this kind of stuff.

LKeen said...

Linda beat me to the "penetrating" point. I wonder is Ms. Ellel realizes what she revealed about herself when she used that particular word.
Have to go and shower now - and maybe wash out my brain with Fels Naptha brown soap.
Yuck.

Padre Mickey said...

I wish I'd gone to Bible School 'cuz you only have to buy the one book.

From what she said, it appears that she beieves that "ungodly sex" will cause one to be poked by a demon!

I avoids the ungodly sex, however, I loves me the "OH MY GOD!!!ly" sex.

Alcibiades said...

Are there any problems if you've enjoyed things not included in this list?
Does the strange thrill I feel when handling porcelain crustaceans count as bestiality, or is there some wriggle-room on this one?
Is it wrong to find wearing my Nanook of the North costume and playing "Igloo" obsessively exciting?

Does anyone think Ellel Ministries will answer my email for advice on these?

johnieb said...

At least three. And "I got ya beat".

Big deal, Doxy, and that doesn't count the perversions made up Ex Spiritu Tempore, as 'twere, which I wish I could remember; perhaps I repeat myself.

And to count the ones I wish I had tried, or known about before I got lost my flexibiltiy (no way was I gonna say "gotten stiff"), well,

Clare, thas what they talkin' 'bout. Welcome: heh.

Tobias Haller said...

Well, this explains a great deal. It is consistent with the theory that the Spirit of Single Malt Scotch engenders an appetite for Single Malt Scotch in the person possessed by it. Not the thriftiest of Spirits, by any means.

But I suppose the Ellel folks are more interested in Single Male Scotch, which the Spirit of Something or Other insisted I type above. Hmmm.

JCF said...

demonic spirit behind

Oh yeah, GOTTA get me sum' dat! ;-D

KJ said...

"Homosexuality is one form of ungodly sex like lesbianism."

Isn't this redundant, or is there something about the wimmins I don't know?

God preserved me from "ex-gay" ministries, but I wonder what Ms. Southern would say to my friends who underwent exorcisms as part of that process. I suppose they didn't have enough faith while they paid thousands of dollars for the "professional" service.

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Bluebird said...

I've been friends with a lot of gay men during my life. According to Ms Southern's "logic", even though I never had sex with any of them I'm probably still possessed by some sort of evil homosexual spirit. Does this mean I'll wake up one morning with an irresistible urge to leave my husband for Mother Kaeton? Or, because this evil spirit likes men, will I go in the other direction and start trying to hump every man I see? Inquiring minds want to know...

Seriously, the fact that some people believe this sh*t is scary indeed.

Saintly Ramblings said...

"It is God's view that ..." Oh good, another person with a hot-line to the Almighty.

Do you think she could have a word with him/her about my kitchen?

http://www.saintlyramblings.blogspot.com/

susan kay said...

As my brothers and sisters in 12-step programs say: "God doesn't make shit" therefor I am not shit

David Charles Walker said...

Clare: What a delight to discover your site, TBH. I look forward to reading it more.

As for Jill Southern: Girl... go check yourself in at the Convent of Wenchoster.

--sheila-- said...

I think we're going to have to check out Jill's sources (cue the quartet)...

Operator
Give me information...
Information
Give me the gayvine...
Gayvine
Give me heaven...

(two, three)
Operator
Information
Get me Jesus's gayvine.
Operator
Information
I'd like to speak to a friend of mine.
Our prayer is the number;
Our love is the exchange.
Heaven is bein' with my partner,
And Jesus knows his name.
Operator
Information
Please give me Jesus on the line.

Operator
Information
Won't you tell me why,
Tell me why,
Operator
Information,
Why these people tell me
Another number I have to call?
My mother used this number
When I was very small,
And every time she dialed it
She always got it all!
Operator
Information,
Please give me Jesus on the line

Operator
Information,
Please hurry if you can.
Oh, operator
Information,
Please connect me
With my own sweet man.
Dont worry 'bout me, honey,
You know I will never charge.
Just get my man on the line--
I'm callin' for my heart.
Operator
Information,
Please give me Jesus on the line--
Please give me Jesus on the line

Won't you please--
Give me Jesus,
Give me Jesus and my man...oh, my man...
On the line.
Yeah.

Graham said...

Horribly depressing on a very personal level. All Saints' Cathedral was my wife's home church, it's where we met, and where we married - the depressing truth is that we almost certainly know a number of people who were at this "conference" (hard to tell with certainty, since we no longer feel comfortable worshipping there when we're visiting family). Unfortunately, over the last 15 years both the Diocese and particularly the Cathedral (where the Bishop is also Dean) have become increasingly fundamentalist in outlook, so as depressing as this is, it can't really be surprising.

cryptogram said...

I did hear the head honcho of Ellel say a few years ago that he always prayed a prayer of deliverance over hotel beds, in case any spirits of ungodly sexual activity had been left behind by previous occupants.

Paul (A.) said...

And that was the first thing he thought about when he entered a hotel room?

Strangelove said...

You know what atheists say in the throes of "ungodly love"? "Oh chance, oh random!" Don't blame me; blame the bride, it's hers.....

Anonymous said...

Hotdiggitydamn !
That is the horniest, sweatiest commentary I've ever read. I have to take a cold shower. Do you think she'll share it with me?
Dutch777

Anonymous said...

This reminds me of Pat Robertson:

"The feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians." -- Pat Robertson, fundraising letter, 1992

IT

Tobias Haller said...

I was out doing a pastoral call this afternoon, and on the way back passed a "Bible Church" with a long list of scheduled events. One of them takes place on Thursday at 7 pm and is called "Demonology Class." I wonder if this is a branch of Ellel?

MadPriest said...

Ooh! Are you going?

Tobias Haller said...

I would, but I'm afraid I might become the subject of discussion, and be exorcised of my Spirit of Single Malt Scotch!