here's a question
Should a fundamentalist, Bible-believing murderer, possessed by a demon, be found guilty of murder?
Saturday, October 11, 2008
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29 comments:
Yes, but only by a jury of his/her peers - twelve fundamentalist, Bible-believing, demoniacs.
I suppose he should but you first have to get though all of those Secret Service agents to get to Bush.
I second Canon G's comment.
If being possessed by a demon is a mental illness, then they are innocent by reason of mental defect.
"If being possessed by a demon is a mental illness, then they are innocent by reason of mental defect." Actually, that's just the first prong of the M'Naughten. To meet the second prong, they have to have no understanding that the action would be deemed wrongful by society.
So should our fundamentalist hide the body, the murder charge would stick. But if they were to cut off the head and display it proudly on the signboard of the Pineswamp Community Church, well, then there's a better chance our murderer would go to a mental hospital for the rest of his days.
Well, of course, this is a case of "the demon made me do it," so the poor man is not guilty; however, the demon is. So the judge should commit the demon to prison without parole. Pity the poor fellow that has to keep company to the demon... But, hey, he can keep claiming he didn't do it.
Criminally Insane.
No demons. Just an excuse for getting caught. Lock him up for the rest of his life.
Innocent by reason of mental defect? I think you mean guilty by reason of mental defect.
LWOPP.
That depends.
Who did this person kill?
Oh, Fran! LMAO!
:blink, blink:
I decided to present this question to Joe, and his response was "Yes."
I said, "Why?"
He said, "Because they're clearly lying about one of two things:
1: Either they're lying about being a fundamentalist Bible believer, because if they really were that, they'd be immune to demonic possession,
2: Or he/she is lying about being demonically possessed."
He then went on to say, in response to Fran's query, "Well, if it was a politician, they're innocent, because politicians don't have souls anyway."
Criminal insanity will be argued and in some cases may be true. There is a strong incentive for the defendant to fake it. Thorough investigation of the man's mental condition is needed, since one would prefer to avoid the situation where the defendant would be declared not guilty by reason of insanity, go to an institution for the criminally insane, a year later stop the act and be declared cured and thus eligible for release.
NancyP
Yes.
Now, shall we enter upon a discussion of criminal penalties and atonement schemes?
I think we have to live with ourselves. How we do that depends upon many things concrete and our less concrete perception of many things. Say, for instance, an advantaged christian in the european west somehow became aware that her privilege was given freely and was also responsible for the death of female babies in China?
We had another in a series of "open-mic" nights here tonight. The main focus of the hymns and songs chosen by the presenters was the Cross. Made me very uncomfortable. I want to move on to the risen life. Nevertheless, the people know something else in their gut.
You ask a fundamental question, MP. Thank you.
Speaking of fundamentalists possessed by demons and those who should be held accountable for letting them speak at campaign rallies:
DAVENPORT, Iowa (CNN) – A minister delivering the invocation at John McCain’s rally in Davenport, Iowa Saturday told the crowd non-Christian religions around the world were praying for Barack Obama to win the U.S. presidential election.
“There are millions of people around this world praying to their god—whether it’s Hindu, Buddha, Allah—that his opponent wins, for a variety of reasons. And Lord, I pray that you will guard your own reputation, because they’re going to think that their God is bigger than you, if that happens,” said Arnold Conrad, the former pastor of Grace Evangelical Free Church in Davenport.
The remark was made before McCain arrived at the rally but the Republican nominee's campaign quickly put out a statement distancing itself from the remarks.
“While we understand the important role that faith plays in informing the votes of Iowans, questions about the religious background of the candidates only serve to distract from the real questions in this race about Barack Obama's judgment, policies and readiness to lead as commander in chief,” said McCain campaign spokesperson Wendy Riemann.
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Yea, that really solved the problem. Nice save.
thanks, klady; just added you to my blog list
Thanks, Scott (though I must confessed to being a bit obsessed with politics lately).
thanks, klady; just added you to my blog list
It's probably too late but I will pray for you, Scott.
I was just Priest when I started this blog. The Mad bit came from trying to get my head round Klady's longer comments. She's a bit clever.
She's a bit clever.
I take it that part is not entirely a compliment, but perhaps contributing to your madness is, because without it, none of us would be here.
In English, when you say "a bit" it means "extremely," and it is always meant as a complete compliment, albeit tinged with a smidgen of envy.
And shouldn't you be in bed? It's not 7 o'clock in England and it's still dark outside.
By the way, does this theoretical fundy Bible believing murderer live in a place where he/she faces the death penalty?
RE: “There are millions of people around this world praying to their god—whether it’s Hindu, Buddha, Allah—that his opponent wins, for a variety of reasons."
Believe me, some of us are doing a lot more than just praying. Got to make those sacrifices to heathen Gods, ya know. Oh, and doing that phone bank thing and knocking on doors and all that.
:grin:
Heathen gods have phone banks now?!?!
I thought the great god, Nokia, was a Mexican god. Wasn't he an eagle or something. Certainly sounds Aztec to me.
:reads David's comment:
Oooowwww....David, you're making me laugh so hard my belly hurts.
The demon did it!
Most folks think Nokia is a Japanese brand, but I think it is Scandinavian.
For the Norse god, Noki?
Mexicans? Norwegians? What's the difference. They're all pagans - especially the Roman Catholics.
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