Leading clergy in Brentwood have warned the ordination of female bishops threatens to split the unity of the Church.
One such traditionalist is the vicar of Ingrave, the Rev Paul Hamilton, who insists his views were by no way sexist but instead theological.While Mr Hamilton strongly believes in equality, he said: "The key to traditionalists is the fact we call God father and because Jesus was a man. The priest is pointing to Jesus, so the masculinity of priests is as symbolically important as there being bread and wine at communion rather than lemonade and biscuits."
COMMENT: Oh dear. And this man is in charge of stuff?
He is only 31 - give him time ... he'll learn that theology is tempered with mercy and justice.
ReplyDeleteI wonder how he manages with the feminine gender of the Spirit of God in the Old Testament since God is Father. And if he is that bound to scripture as a template, has he not understood that in the creation of humanity both male and female were made in God's image?
If this level of stupid is required, maybe you are fated not to be a vicar. Who hired this idiot?
ReplyDeleteFWIW
jimB
He even looks like a twit.
ReplyDeleteOf course, he leaves out the fact that women founded some of the original Christian churches and supported them, often as leaders. The menfolk didn't like this much and spent the next few centuries pretty much eliminating the role women had in the early church. Give some people blue pencils.....
ReplyDeleteWhere did he study Systematics?
ReplyDelete"The priest is pointing to Jesus, so the masculinity of priests is as symbolically important as..."
ReplyDeleteI, a man, was walking down the street yesterday and a woman pointed toward me.
Clearly this was a grievous crime on her part. Should she be stoned, or merely transported to Australia?
Yes, Strangelove. But the men of the early Christian Church had to do that because God is a man. Unfortunately, Jesus made a lot of mistakes when it came to gender issues and the brave boys of orthodoxy
ReplyDeletehad to correct his errors to save God the embarrassment of being thought of as gay or something.
I bet she chooses the stoning option, Dave.
ReplyDeletemmm...can he explain the logic of dog collars then....
ReplyDeleteThe priest is pointing to Jesus
ReplyDeleteMy mum told me it was rude to point.
The Rev Paul Hamilton insists his views were by no way sexist but instead theological
Funny how it's never sexist, racist, homophobic ... etc etc etc etc, etc etc etc
I bet she chooses the stoning option, Dave
ReplyDeleteShe could always do both. I'm sure she wouldn't be the first Brit tourist who went round Oz under the influence.
If God had wanted women to be priests and bishops,
ReplyDeleteHe would have made a woman
the means of His Incarnation,
the agent of the first manifestation
of His Real Presence
in Body and Blood.
Oh, wait...
a thought for certain prelates and pontiffs,
especially those who maunder on about ontology and function, from
Tobias Stanislas Haller BSG
Of course, how silly of me to have forgotten that.....
ReplyDeleteHey, let's not be too hard on the Rev. Mr. Hamilton. ("Mr." Hamilton? At which end of the twit spectrum does he reside?) What he says is essentially what Pope Paul VI (or his handlers) said back in the 1970s. It's what converted me then on the issue of the ordination of women -- namely, if this twaddle is the best argument you can come up with for not ordaining women, then the issue is settled for anyone with brains enough to recognize a version of the Apollinarian heresy.
ReplyDeleteWhat do you suppose would have happened if the disciples had come back to Jesus from setting up the Passover Seder, and said, "Master, we couldn't get any matzos or wine -- they're all sold out. Would it be okay if we had lemonade and biscuits instead?"
I think Jesus would have said, "Oh, for goodness sake, you lot are useless! I should have sent Mary Mags to get them."
ReplyDeleteThis guy would be a perfect fit with the EWTN crowd. They use the same "logic" all the time.
ReplyDeleteSometimes I think they should worship an icon of a penis--truth in advertising, etc.
ReplyDeleteBut, he DID send Mary Mags to go get them. That's why there was bread and wine. Seriously, would you trust Simon Peter to do that?
ReplyDeleteIT, then you could distinguish Christians from Physicians: First, do no herm.
ReplyDeleteCould you not find a faggier photo of the guy, MP?
ReplyDeleteRE: "The key to traditionalists is the fact we call God father..."
ReplyDeleteTell that to Julian of Norwich.
Tell that to Julian of Norwich.
ReplyDeleteSaintly ramblings will have to tell her. He's closest.
Last time I visited her cell she wasn't in, but I'll try again tomorrow after my visit to the gym.
ReplyDeleteThanks, SR.
ReplyDeleteHeck, I've had Julian's ear every day for twenty-five years-- I'll let her know.
ReplyDeleteJohn-Julian, Founder, The Order of Julian of Norwich
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By the way, did everyone see Tobias Haller's new poem posted today?
E'er the Bread could first be broken
in the Eucharistic Feast,
Mary's "Yes" must first be spoken.
She the altar; she the priest.
JJ+
I've had Julian's ear every day for twenty-five years
ReplyDeleteWell, you can bloody well give it back you little tea leaf! How the heck can she listen to the woes of the poor of Norwich if you've got her bloomin' ear?
He looks like he plays for my team, so I'd guess he's trying to hide that from himself and everyone else by trying to look as mascunlinist as possible in his speech. Picture fail.
ReplyDeleteHis mother never even considered the rest of us when the subject of abortion came up, did she?!
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