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Well, bummer. Really.But, for God's sake, do give the man a phone call. He offered, after all.
There's no point, Ellie. They never tell you the truth and so you end up worrying about the stuff they do tell you which is probably just something they've overemphasised because they don't want to tell you why your really didn't get an interview. It's human nature.
I dunno. He did offer and he took the time to write a personal note. I would call. Not my decision but that is what I would do.FWIWjimB
Oh, you Americans. You have no concept of embarrassment whatsoever.The bishop has to make the offer because it's good manners to. But, equally, it is good manners not to take him up on his offer. To do otherwise would cause embarrassment for both of us.
RING HIM.He did not "have" to offer. None of the others have (except the ones where you got to interview stage).
Well his response is better than the several my partner has received from the Bishop of Kensington who refuses to give any feedback at all!Laurence C.
RING HIM - he is my sending Bishop and is really nice and straightforward
Feck.This is just me: email is the perfect compromise between "I should call; he asked me to" and "Chances of mutual embarrassment are 90% or higher". If there's the slightest chance for non-mutual-embarrassment, an email should let you know.
I agree with you MP. Normally the feedback would be worthless but in this case he seems to be offering something quite specific (as I read it) in that he may want to genuinely advise you on your "application form". If you can keep the conversation to that and not stray into other areas it may not be so embarraassing for either of you. That feedback may be useful.
Sometimes finding out why they did not call you can give some perspective. When I asked the rector of a congregation where I had applied and where they practically had me sign the contract at the interview, why they did not call me, he said it was because I did not go upstairs to see the children's bedrooms when they invited me. In my neck of the woods, you just don't do that the first time you are at someone's house. But there, it was considered impolite and stand-offish. I realised the cultural differences would have been too great and it would have been an uphill slog all the way.... Not that it helps you, but in that case, I realised it was about him and not about me. Good luck.
You would fit in straight away in England, Caminante. If you went upstairs to look at the children's bedrooms here the parents would call the police.
Hmmmmpf. I actually believe I am with you on this MP. I see an analogy on the many time people over ask "How are you today?" All they really want from you is a one word answer, "Fine." You try to really tell them and, well, you see what I mean.I think it would simply end up an uncomfortable conversation for you. I don't see that it would really help you in this quest. He makes the offer and immediately makes a statement about the huge volume of applicants - as if to suggest, but there's really no need to call me because I'm going to tell you how wonderful it all looked but that there was a huge volume of applicants.
I have learnt something since I first posted this that proves that the church reps in this case have incredibly bad discernment. So I'm neither surprised or concerned that I haven't been offered an interview.
I think this letter actually points to something far deeper and far more worrying in the Church's method of appointments - namely that if we are seeking God's call to a post, then why are applicants in "competition" with each other.Yes, all are seeking the same post, but the method should be through discernment rather than competitive interview where you have to prove you are better than all the rest.By buying into the business culture the church has shut God out of the process.Which could be one reason why I don't come over well in interview. For this present post I was the runner-up and only got offered it because the chosen one pulled out when his teenage daughter baulked at the idea of rural life.
For this present post I was the runner-up and only got offered it because the chosen one pulled out when his teenage daughter baulked at the idea of rural life.You lucky bugger, SR! I dream of such eventualities. It's a shame that the worst of the winter seems to be over. I was keeping my fingers crossed at the last couple of interviews that my "competitors" would get stuck in the snow.
I agree with the suggestion to email him. What's the worst that can happen?
What's the worst that can happen?DVBB, you know I love you. But that is the most ridiculous question I have ever been asked and as for the answer, I just don't want to go there.
Ring him! He won't put it in an email, but he's offering something helpful. Really.
That was a nice rejection letter, as rejections go. In the U.S., more and more employers don't even bother to reject you; you're just ignored. You know the lay of the land better than I do, so if you don't call, oh well.
I have a good feeling about this guy.
Jonathan,I am as cynical as they come, but something tells me you should call him. It's a feeling, but a strong one. I'm not big on hunches, still less the supernatural, but I just think you should call the man.
With appointments in the C of E now there are three possible elements:1) a 'safe-to-appoint' letter - dealing with CRB/safe-guarding issues2) a verbal reference as the manager phones the equivalent manager in the respective diocese3) a written referenceYou can access any written reference given from the receiving diocese.The first two are tricky, and it is almost certainly 2) which is causing problems IF ANY OF THESE ARE