Sex & God & Rock & Roll
Yup. That's us. The mightiest nation on earth, our humble beginnings rooted in nothing more than a pickaxe and a hat.What was that? I couldn't hear you over the sound of how awesome we are.:snicker:Tracie
I feel compelled to point out, nuance though it be, this collection of funny, arrogant pricks is confusing Separatists (Which we call "The Pilgrims.") and the Puritans.
In all fairness, KJ, he is having a go at us English who regard all people who hate fun as Puritans, as shown in the panelists' answers. But he is spot on about the Puritan emigrants' desire to enforce their beliefs on everyone (which, I understand is still their number one aim in life). We couldn't open the door for them to leave quick enough so that we could go back to drinking, celebrating Christmas and attending the theatre.
It's all true. I remember researching a story about a member of the Massachusetts Colony (I think his name was Mayo) who during a horrendous winter blizzard allowed two traveling Quakers to spent the night in his cottage. He was charged for having given shelter and comfort to Quakers. He was so pissed off at that that he left the colony and went to live with the Wampanoag Indians on Nantucket Island, saying that he found more Christian love and mercy among the pagans than he could among the Christians of Massachusetts.
It's the hypocrisy that gets me. The Puritans persecuted the Quakers but were always happy to eat their porridge oats.
As a descendant of Mary Dyer --I wholeheartedly agree.
I am descended from settlers of both Plimoth Colony (the Pilgrims) and the Massachusetts Bay Colony (the Puritans). My Plymouth ancestors were "Strangers", not "Saints" (that is, members of the Pilgrim congregation who emigrated first to Leyden then to Plymouth in search of religious freedom). The Pilgrims welcomed, or at least tolerated, the less pure in their midst, and by the 1670s the Baptists also had a strong presence in the colony (mostly around what is now Rehoboth, Seekonk and Swansea, Massachusetts and East Providence, Rhode Island).Among my ancestors in Massachusetts, I have numerous accounts of them having been fined for "absence from meeting" (skipping church on Sunday), or for "entertaining Quakers", including one who was jailed for offering hospitality to his own (Quaker) nephew. My distant cousin Nathaniel Hawthorne (we both trace descent from Judge William Hathorne,1606-81, the stern guardian of morality in Salem and persecutor of Quakers)frequently wrote about Puritan morality, and not in a favorable way.
Wow. Some illustrious pedigrees here. I'm just related, on Mom's side, to the notorious Hatfields of West BY GOD Virginia. LOLTracie
Well, my family have no idea where my maternal grandmother's family came from. We only know they were always in Vermont, at least so far as anyone knows.On my dad's side I come from German Freethinkers - immigrants to this side of the pond who preferred no religion at all, please.
Was it the Puritans or the Pilgrims that went to Holland before coming over here? I seem to remember one or the other group doing that.
Pilgrims, Susan. My ancestors showed up in what is now Boston with the puritanical crowd and Gov. Winthrop in 1630. In artwork portraying the arrival, you can spot my ancestors in the background doing all the heavy lifting.
you can spot my ancestors in the background doing all the heavy liftingThe Js haven't always been gay then :-)
--hardly illustrious --the other half were descended from that ugly baby...
Blogger keeps eating my bloody comment.It's all about control, you see. If someone else has it, then someone is going to say, "I don't have control here! I can't tell anyone what to think!" So they march off and start their own little in-group and say, "OK, I'm in charge here! We do things my way here!"wv: flonjphI know who jph is but flon? No clue.